Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27980194-20170224234227/@comment-27980194-20170226150446

Taliats wrote: Csillagfény wrote: Taliats wrote: Csillagfény wrote: snip Not blaming anything on anyone. It's just massive amounts of miscommunication, poor management and general confusion, nobody is to blame in reality, things just need to be made clearer.

In fact what pisses me off is the amount of effort i have been putting in to fixing that bloody server (and succeeding) just to be undermined by decisions like this. It's like fixing a sinking boat to only have one of the passengers jump off and build his own boat anyway.

You think action needs to be taken to fix that server? well go on, nobody is stopping you. Well the idea that you're not really blaming anything on anyone is outright false, to quote yourself:

Taliats wrote: the main reason the main Discord server is in such a sorry state is because all the good people keep up and leaving. You seemed pretty content to blame it on the leaving people as opposed to anything else on that server.

And no there's not miscommunication, the issues could really have not been made clearer honestly. We've held more than enough discussions about them. However, for the sake of argument, let's assume there was, what could we then blame it on? If I had to point fingers, it would be at how there's a lack of transparency from the moderator team. No doubt you're talking in elmore_police, however when you're practically holding an entirely seperate conversation (the entire channel that, no doubt, is an entire echo chamber), it makes it harder to hold an open, honest discussion about the server. So I say then, this supposed miscommunication would then not be the fault of the users, but rather a failure on the part of you regarding your staff's lack of transparency.

Regarding the second point, well here's this. If your boat is apparently sinking as you put it, are you really succeeding? If the mere existence of an alternate server is enough to make your server hemorrhage users, is it succeeding? If multiple users express therir discontent with your server, are you succeeding? If we even need to have this debate in the first place, is it succeeding?

You also claim I have the power/the mandate to change that server and that I should "go on" with doing so, yet you miss the incredibly obvious setback. I'm not an admin, I ultimately have no power. I say then that the failure of action, or better yet the lack of action to satisfactorily improve the server, is then not on me, but rather regards to your failure as an admin on that server. You also miss the other obvious, point, I'm not even obligated to improve your server. It's not my job, it's yours. Sure, me, a guy who has been a member for mere months broke the server. The fact that ever since i have been Admin, you have visited the server like 2 times for very short periods means you have no basis for that accusation.

And yes, ok, i was wrong to blame people leaving, that was a heat of the moment thing. But directly blaming me, even though all i have done has been to improve the server (and all these changes have been on the advice of the users), is just as ludicrous. The fact that you have been on for "mere months" is really spinning the situation, to the point where it's maliciously false. Yes, you've been on for mere months, yet at the same time you seem to conveniently not mention that you an ADMINISTRATOR on that same server. Despite the fact that you've been on for mere months, your power over the server is grand. You're one of the most powerful people on that server, if someone was to guess as to who could put the server in a poor state, odds are it would be one of the higher ups. The fact that you dismiss that you had any responsibility regarding the poor state of the server because you've "been on for mere months", is not an argument.

Also don't say "very short periods" as if to suggest I merely just popped in two times. That is again, maliciously false. I have stayed on for around a 2 week-month period with your adminship. Not to mention, I've been talking to you throughout it. Don't spin information to make your argument seem better than it is.

Yes you were wrong to blame people leaving, but was it really a heat of the moment thing? You had all the time in the world to make a post, no one was rushing you, you had no reason to make a post if you really were in the heat of the moment. I'm more inclined to believe it was a freudian slip, but I digress.

As for directly blaming you? Well my blame is moreso directed in the mod staff in general, you're merely a portion of the issues, but I digress. Still though, not an argument. However on the topic of directly blaming you, is directly blaming you for some of the issues really that ludicrous? I could actually point some fingers at you regarding some users leaving or point fingers at your regarding some controversy.