Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27980194-20170224234227/@comment-27980194-20170226133035

Gameuser10 wrote: Csillagfény wrote: Gameuser10 wrote: I stand with Klstix's position after discussion with him on the current server. I still oppose the creation of a new server and see it as unnecessary. Most of the people there are from the wiki, and I could argue that the quality of discussion decreased and the population increased when the links were shared on the Wiki's front page, advertised as the official server. How would a new one make anything different or, as Noah puts it, "identify" more with the Wiki? And yeah sure while you can point to our inclusion of the button on the main page as a reason for lower quality chat, I could also then point to your notion that quality has decreased, as a sign that either your staff has made poor decisions, or better yet, just poor staff/moderation in general. Do you want to trend down that path? Yes. Because that's the road to improvement, however hard and difficult it may be. You making a pretty weak attempt to try and imply, or deflect blame, concerning the decline of quality in the server chat on the fact that we made a button on the wiki homepage, is not the road to improvement. If anything, it breeds complacency (notice how that word is cropping up a bunch?), it's foolish, and honestly, it's quite the opposite of a "road to progress". With all that in mind, don't even talk about this whole "road to improvement" shtick if it's going to be like that.

But, sure, let's roll with that. You made the claim that you can argue that our inclusion of the wiki button to our homepage caused a decreased in the quality of chat and an increase in population. Can you make that argument? Sure. Would it be a strong one? Not even close. You could point to a lot of things that came with a decrease in quality, and I could point to quite a number of things as an alternative. For example, the moderators, the decision to remove city_hall, the decision to demote TerraKnight, the administrators, the leaving of users, the list is endless. I'm incredibly confident in saying at least half of the examples I pointed out would produce an argument that sticks better, but I digress. Let's then go with your notion that the wiki button DID produce lower quality chat (purely for argumental reasons). We then have to ask ourselves, who does the blame then fall on then? The moderators, for not being able to reel them in properly, or the users themselves? The answer, is honestly, the moderators. So, needless to say, your argument, is not even an argument.

We also then get into a blatant contradiction in all of your posts. You keep talking about how we can "Make this server work" and this whole "Road to progress" yet seemingly, you don't seem to wish to take responsibility for the poor state of the server. You and Taliats alike are both more than content with blaming it on outside factors, Taliats blaming it on "People leaving", you with your whole "discord button on home page" among other things. How then can one have confidence that the server is going to improve when both of its admins are willing to blame just about anything but the server itself and as a result, avoiding the issues?