Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27980194-20170224234227/@comment-27980194-20170226142543

Taliats wrote: Csillagfény wrote: snip Not blaming anything on anyone. It's just massive amounts of miscommunication, poor management and general confusion, nobody is to blame in reality, things just need to be made clearer.

In fact what pisses me off is the amount of effort i have been putting in to fixing that bloody server (and succeeding) just to be undermined by decisions like this. It's like fixing a sinking boat to only have one of the passengers jump off and build his own boat anyway.

You think action needs to be taken to fix that server? well go on, nobody is stopping you. Well the idea that you're not really blaming anything on anyone is outright false, to quote yourself:

Taliats wrote: the main reason the main Discord server is in such a sorry state is because all the good people keep up and leaving. You seemed pretty content to blame it on the leaving people as opposed to anything else on that server.

And no there's not miscommunication, the issues could really have not been made clearer honestly. We've held more than enough discussions about them. However, for the sake of argument, let's assume there was, what could we then blame it on? If I had to point fingers, it would be at how there's a lack of transparency from the moderator team. No doubt you're talking in elmore_police, however when you're practically holding an entirely seperate conversation (the entire channel that, no doubt, is an entire echo chamber), it makes it harder to hold an open, honest discussion about the server. So I say then, this supposed miscommunication would then not be the fault of the users, but rather a failure on the part of you regarding your staff's lack of transparency.

Regarding the second point, well here's this. If your boat is apparently sinking as you put it, are you really succeeding? If the mere existence of an alternate server is enough to make your server hemorrhage users, is it succeeding? If multiple users express therir discontent with your server, are you succeeding? If we even need to have this debate in the first place, is it succeeding?

You also claim I have the power/the mandate to change that server and that I should "go on" with doing so, yet you miss the incredibly obvious setback. I'm not an admin, I ultimately have no power. I say then that the failure of action, or better yet the lack of action to satisfactorily improve the server, is then not on me, but rather regards to your failure as an admin on that server. You also miss the other obvious, point, I'm not even obligated to improve your server. It's not my job, it's yours.