Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27980194-20170224234227/@comment-27980194-20170225195456

Taliats wrote: (no clue how to do the little red thing) Oppose- I do not believe splitting an already divided community is very wise, the main reason the main Discord server is in such a sorry state is because all the good people keep up and leaving.

On a further note, there are a few staff who do want to fix the server, and good progress is being made, but the main setback is, again, all the good people are leaving and creating their own servers, and, thus, splitting the community.

The idea of a fanbase is a collection of people who like the same thing coming together to be able to talk about the thing they like with other like-minded people, be it a TV show, Movie or Video game

Creating yet a 3rd server will just end up alienating people further, while it may be a good solution in the long term, i believe in making a good attempt at fixing what we already have before potentially dividing the same community for the second time in the space of a week. I personally think to blame the sad state of the discord on people leaving is foolish. Is it a factor? Maybe. But the decline of the server has started long before any of the notable people (Jowijo, myself, etc) actually started leaving. Pair that with the fact that people are leaving BECAUSE it's in such a pathetic state, and that claim then becomes more questionable.

As for the whole idea that some staff want to fix it, that really doesn't reflect on what's actually happening. Besides, a few staff members, as in not the whole crew? For starters if a staff member legitimately stops caring about improving the server, that person should no longer be a staff member, staff members should be the first ones to actually care about it. And also, if the server is in such a low-effort, sorry state that some of the staff members legitimately stopped caring, I personally feel that is very telling about the actual state of the server. Also forgive me for being cynical, but I personally feel I heard the whole "Oh good progress is being made" "The server is better now" one too many times, and it never actually panned out to be the case. Honestly this whole progress thing is way too little, way too late.

To suggest that this would alienate people is not entirely the case. To suggest that it would would be to suggest that we are providing a sort of "This or that" ultimatum. That is not even close to what's happening. I merely just wish to create another that we, as a wiki, can identify more with. Besides, even if it does alienate a few people, I personally feel both the long-term and the immediate benefits (of which there are plenty), are worth that cost. Concerning this whole notion of "Making a good attempt to fix it", let's rewind a bit to when we held that debate concerning the server's issues. After a couple hour long discussion, the best thing the server came up with is....promoting a new admin.... Yeah sure it was a baby step and it tackled this whole notion that the standing founder, Klstixbro, isn't very active, but the fact that it was decided that, that was enough, and you all quantified that as a "good attempt" is honestly baffling. If that is what qualfies as a "good attempt", you're going to need way better than a "good attempt" to fix that server's issue, you're going to need what borderlines as a miracle.

I don't want to divide the community, I don't want for there to be animosity between us and the main server. I merely just want a server that represents the wiki far better than what that server can provide. There doesn't have to be difficulty or animosity if you don't wish for there to be.